The Seven Levels of Leadership - Part 4 | EP6 |

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Speaker 1
Welcome to Culture is an inside job. The Podcast on building an authentic, engaging and inspiring culture. Hi, I'm Wendy Roop and along with my friends and co-hosts Karen Preston and Scott McGowan. We believe that building a healthy work culture starts with leaders like you. If you're ready to get real and dig deep into your own self-awareness, determine how you want to show up in the world and then take aligned action to transform your leadership and those around you.

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Speaker 1
Then this podcast is for you. Now let's go inside.

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Speaker 1
Welcome back, everyone. To Culture is an inside job. Hey, Scott. Hey, Karen.

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Speaker 2
Hey.

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Speaker 3
Great to be back.

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Speaker 1
Taylor, I always have to say thank you for all you do. Just got to do it. Today we are going to jump into continuing continuing our conversation around these levels of energy from that body of work, energy, leadership we've been talking to you about. So if you need more information, please check out our previous episodes. But I thought we could just start by recapping.

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Speaker 1
We talked about level three last time and stepped into level four. And so maybe we'll recap a little bit on three and then and then spend some time in level four. How does that sound? Karen and Scott.

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Speaker 3
Perfect.

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Speaker 2
Perfect.

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Speaker 1
Karen, you want to recap us a little bit about reminder about what is level three all about and then move forward from there?

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Speaker 2
Sure thing. So to refresh Assad catabolic and anabolic catabolic being the lower mindset of more damaging and destructive energy. Anabolic being more constructive and creative. Level one I lose. Level two, you lose. Level three, I win. So this is now us moving into a little bit more of the anabolic energy of getting our win. Level four, you win.

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Speaker 2
And this is that space of service and compassion to someone, something or back to ourselves. And the subtle nuance of me getting my win in level four and not giving a rat's butt about anyone else. I mean, sorry, level three. Level three. Level. Level three I win. Getting my win and level four showing myself the compassion. Very different when they speak to that.

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Speaker 2
What is different about that?

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Speaker 1
Well, when we're in, you know, moving into that level four, we're really comfort coming from that place of. And again, not that this can't go either way just because there are challenges in this level, too. But, you know, we can be focused on making sure that we are taking care of ourselves because we realize that in order to take care of ourselves, we can better take care of everybody else.

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Speaker 1
Right. But it is very again, going back to, you know, that just that compassion for ourselves and for other people and and very service oriented. And, you know, we always like to talk about the challenge of it. The challenge can be that we're so focused on other people and sometimes it's because we want to be liked. Right? Perhaps we tend to be a pleaser.

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Speaker 1
And so, you know, we want to make sure that, oh, gosh, I got to make sure I'm taking care of everybody else, because if not, you know, they won't like me or we can get caught up in the drama, you know, of somebody else, because when we're helping them, perhaps they're not making the shifts that we think they should.

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Speaker 1
And I think Karen, you know, you and I, we learned this when we went through, you know, Ipac and we we learn more about these levels. But it can also be when we're in this level, it's because there is there is still and correct me if I'm wrong, but, you know, there's still a level of judgment here, right?

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Speaker 1
Because we think there sometimes when we're in this level, we can think there's something to be fixed and somebody.

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Speaker 2
Like, yeah, still some judgment here for sure. Judgment of what? What needs to have compassion. We're making some decisions about who needs the most service and why and judgment that we're not. You know, we're still go back to that. I'm not good enough. So I need to be able to, you know, to to give myself or this space or whatever.

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Speaker 2
Like, I sometimes use the circumstance when instead of it being a certain person or yourself, it's your it's your situation. It could be your office, right? You could have papers everywhere. And it just needs a little bit of a level for love. The more you're willing to give that space some compassion and love that it needs, that's where you'll start to get to those higher levels of the Win-Win.

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Speaker 2
Right. So anything it's just give it that, give it the attention that it needs. I don't know if I answered your question.

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Speaker 1
No, you did. You did it. Scott, I want to pull you in here because, you know, again, we can all go a mile a minute. And so I think it's important in each one of these episodes when we're sharing with our audience to make sure we keep coming back to the core of what this podcast is all about, really, which is culture and this level for, you know, this is when we're truly stepping into that anabolic energy and it really is all about, you know, service.

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Speaker 1
And so, Scott, as you think about that from a culture perspective and, you know, I got the opportunity to work for you for seven years and work with you for seven years. And so I saw how you do this and you still do this. So beautifully. But talk about the importance of of this. Right. And coming from this level of energy in general, but especially just today with everything that's going on in the world and so forth.

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Speaker 3
Well, I think for me, you know, like when I even when I first started looking at these different levels and, you know, it's like, hey, like, do I have time to even understand this, right? There's just like, it's too much. But here's what I think the listeners maybe might lean into to try to want to understand this, because I love I do a lot of work in recovery.

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Speaker 3
And so I do a lot of work with folks that are that are addicts, whether it be, you know, alcohol or drugs or whatever. And I think the mindset that helps me understand the power of this is, you know, whenever someone started using, they stopped growing up. So if I was 16 and I started drinking alcohol, then I start my brain 16 years old.

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Speaker 3
Now, even if I'm not an addict, when we started getting our way with our own behavior, we stopped growing. So in other words, if I'm commanding, if I'm very sick, but by the way, level three. Right. And and inches of four are or what I refer to as destructive heroes, high powered, high paid individual contributors that destroy organizations and owners are way too drunk on their revenue or their relationships to fire them.

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Speaker 3
You zip up body bags of people that are always around them, right? You celebrate them, yet you're applied for them, which is really telling the work force. Get the guess what gets rewarded around here. Arrogant, self-centeredness, manipulative behavior. That's what gets rewarded around here. And people that are purpose driven and have a deep purpose for compassion, like they will just they will leave.

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Speaker 3
And so it so in other words, and the reason I'm bringing this up is if you don't understand this, then you don't have the tools because you don't want to live like in the bottom like, but you can't walk around life with a hammer in your hand all the time. And we talked about that before. And you talk ranch and I don't even know Talk Ranch does work like you need different tools for that to to you know, to move.

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Speaker 3
And when you find them and you have access to them, you can reach behind you and grab that tool. They are beautiful, beautiful. And I know I'm talking too much, but when you use them for yourself, beautiful things. Can I tell you a story that happened yesterday is I went to and I told Taylor this, but I was going to a at a meeting and I opened my car door and where I parked the wind was really strong.

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Speaker 3
It took my door and threw it into a brand new BMW and it put at first I didn't really look at it because I thought, well, that might have put a scratch fair like might be a scratch, but I was in a hurry, so I ran upstairs and now I had to meet with a guy for like 15 minutes.

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Speaker 3
So as I'm sitting in the meeting and I'm like, I need to go down there and and look at that car. So I get out and look at the car. I'm like, Oh, yeah, that's that's a goodie. I mean, it's into the wheel. Well, it's it and it's just not white paint on black car fare. My car is white.

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Speaker 3
That one's black. It's just not that. And then, you know, I'm considering. Wow. I mean, people have done it to me all the time, like all that. You know, how you just you rationalize that and like, well, forget it. Like, do I have a business car? We live in a world where business cards, like, you know, we we don't care.

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Speaker 3
But I found one in my car and I wrote a note on my car that when to open my door through my door open and I damage your car and I'm sorry. Just call me. And I stuck it in the windshield. That was it. And I get a call that afternoon and it was a random number and I pick it up.

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Speaker 3
And here's the cool thing. The guy left and I picked up the phone, I said Hello. And he said, you're going to have for sure.

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Speaker 2
Hmm.

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Speaker 3
Oh. And I was like, who is this anyway? I know him. I saw him yesterday was like, I came out, I thought I got a ticket on my windshield. And then I look.

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Speaker 2
At this crowd at first.

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Speaker 3
Yeah, I look at this note, and I'm like, There's no way. Like, and then I saw your card and your name, and I was like, Wow, what a now I'm not saying that to tout my character or any of that, but, you know, ten, 15 years ago, I didn't have I didn't have the energy, compassion or understanding to want to do that.

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Speaker 3
And I mean, obviously, I wanted to repair what I did. But here's the most important part is I love my peace and serenity. It's what keeps me alive and leaning into life. If I don't repair that, I get sick. I don't get I get worse. I don't get better. Is that does that make sense.

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Speaker 1
Scott? You just beautifully described level three, four and five in this story.

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Speaker 2
Yeah.

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Speaker 1
I mean, really, you know, rationalization that you started with and you also just beautifully described choice is you could have stayed in that rationalization. You could have stayed in that level of I mean, people have done that to me. Nobody's put a note on my window before, etc.. Then you described how you're like, No, like I need to make sure I take care of this, you know?

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Speaker 1
And so you're in that level four and then even and we'll talk about level five. But that level five is no, this isn't just for the other person. This is to even just to bring peace to myself, too. So thank you for sharing that, because I think hopefully for the audience, they were able to see, you know, that shift.

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Speaker 2
Yeah, I want to go a little deeper because that's just what I do. So in that space of compassion that you that was a trigger for you, right? What were the questions that you were asking yourself that is the game changer?

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Speaker 3
Yeah. You know, I think for me is like I even backed out like I was ready to go, like I was ready to leave because people had done it to me a bunch of times. But I live by this learning circle every day. Like what I observe, what happened. I reflect on what the day it occurred, and then I can discuss it.

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Speaker 3
Most people discuss it what is themselves on a pillow at night, which is, like I've always said, your brain's like a bad neighborhood and you shouldn't be there alone. You just should not be there alone. And if I don't repair the damage that I made during the day, then the next day is going to get worse. And it's just I'm just going to make a bad mistake sandwich just stack bad decisions on top of bad decisions.

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Speaker 3
And so the decision was is really is it a bunch of things? Can you afford to fix the car check? Absolutely I can. No problem. Number two is, what if somebody did that to you and didn't say anything? How disappointed would you be? Number three is every time you look at a black seven series, BMW, what are you going to think?

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Speaker 2
Oh, big one.

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Speaker 3
Every time. Yeah. And then whatever. And then and then the last part of that is, you know, where is that person right now and the wire. And they in that building could be a variety of reasons. Yeah. And it was, it was just a really, it was just a good example of good internal emotional intelligence work on the inside that gets transfer on the outside.

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Speaker 3
And I don't say that to applaud what I did.

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Speaker 1
It's an example.

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Speaker 3
Yeah, it's just an example.

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Speaker 2
But it's a perfect example. Like you said, Wendy, and I'm so glad that you shared your the questions that you ask because that's that's the work, right? That's the compassion and curiosity piece. And so now let's talk about what did you create as a result of being conscious, right? Of consciously taking a choice to be compassionate and to be curious?

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Speaker 2
What did you get to create from there? Like, how do we put that into words?

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Speaker 3
Gosh, I mean, one is, what did I create? Well, a couple of cool things is I was in a meeting with H.R. when he called, so I said, hey, I might need to pick this up. So she got to hear the story. She got to hear someone say, You're going to heaven, right? Which was kind of cool. So it was like teachable.

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Speaker 3
Is that that makes sense?

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Speaker 2
Yeah, absolutely.

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Speaker 3
And then I thought it was really strange because the guy that actually like, I know him really well, I saw him the day before and it I think what's really interesting too about that I'm not saying this to pat myself on the back, but stories create stories. He will tell that story more than I will tell that story.

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Speaker 3
Mm hmm. So if he tells the story and somebody else does something like that, there's a good case that that story gets sticky and the next person does the same thing, and it goes and it goes, it goes. That makes sense.

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Speaker 2
That you created the ripple. Yeah.

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Speaker 1
That's right.

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Speaker 2
That's exactly how it works. And that's beautiful. Yeah. Thank you for sharing.

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Speaker 3
Oh, yeah.

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Speaker 1
Yeah. Karen. And thanks for asking the other deeper questions because that's how, you know, we help people understand that just the process of what it creates for us by asking yourselves those questions. And we don't you know, it's not like Scott, you know, was thinking about all this when he asked himself those questions, which is the again, the importance of doing this kind of work, because it makes you step back and reflect and see now what was going through my head right at the time that this happened, whether it's in the lower levels of energy or in higher levels.

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Speaker 1
And what emotion did that create? For me?

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Speaker 3
And then the cool part, the action is nobody was there.

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Speaker 2
Mm hmm. So you could. Anybody was in the car. Cory Look at that. Scott Breathing like they labor back to you. Yeah.

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Speaker 3
Yeah. And and in all fairness, I looked around like, is anybody in that car?

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Speaker 1
Uh huh.

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Speaker 3
So I'm not going to say, like, I'm like this Captain Virtue, right? So I mean, I was doing the math.

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Speaker 1
No, but you got to do you know, you got to make a choice. You show.

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Speaker 2
Absolutely.

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Speaker 1
No. Right. That's that's a great story. I'm so glad that you shared that. Thank you for your vulnerability and transparency for sure.

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Speaker 2
Yeah, it's almost like I want to go. What would this conversation look like? I'm the opposite of all that. Like if you had if you're feeling guilty because here's the situation where you didn't leave that car, like, what's going on now? Where's that continuation of of mind talk and guilt? And what do I do now? Right.

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Speaker 3
So what? Taylor was in the car with my wife one time and an a college student ran in the back of her car. I think Taylor was in the car with her. And anyway, I called the college student and I'm like, Hey, I know you're in school and do you know what your deductible is? It's 500 bucks, right?

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Speaker 3
And I was like, Hey, look, I really don't want to pay for my wife's car getting fixed, but I really don't want to harm you because you're in school. So I'm going to pay your deductible and I'll take care of that. I just need to get my wife's car fixed. And he's like, Wow, my cab. I was in college once.

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Speaker 3
I didn't have any money. I doubt you have 500 bucks because I don't I'm like, Then don't worry about it. Just let's just get it fixed and I'll take care of it, so don't worry about it. We called me back and he said, I talked to my dad and my dad said there wasn't a police report, so you can't come after me.

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Speaker 3
And I was like, I go, All right, so here's what's going to happen, young man. Your dad gave you really bad advice for life, because I can afford to fix the car, and I'm going to be like, over this. But if if your character's been taught with bad advice and I get to leave here and never think about it again, and my gut tells me you might think about this a lot longer than I did.

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Speaker 3
And that was the end of the conversation. That was it.

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Speaker 2
So that was your karma yesterday where it all and. Yeah.

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Speaker 3
Yeah.

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Speaker 2
And it's good while.

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Speaker 1
Wow. Good stories.

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Speaker 2
Mm hmm. Yeah.

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Speaker 1
What else comes up for us about this level, Karen?

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Speaker 2
Level four. So I again, I can't stress enough, I ad nauseum. I know the idea of compassion and curiosity begets creativity, right? And so it's almost like the creativity piece is the level five, right? The more compassion and curious we can be on this level for bridge that leads us to the win win that we get to create a level five.

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Speaker 2
So how about let's touch on level five. What do you think?

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Speaker 1
Yep, let's do it.

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Speaker 2
So level five is again, we've said the win win, so there's a lot of opportunity here. We start to feel more expansive and our view we start taking more responsibility.

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Speaker 1
Yeah. And I think we call this out as the explorer, right? Like that's, that's the way that we can reference back to this. And when we're in this level, go ahead.

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Speaker 2
The ability to actually start to to uncover and peel back and see where we're not. You know, like we talked about the line in the sand, right? When you're in the line on the lower edge of that sand or we you know, even the the iceberg. Right. You've seen some of the depictions of the iceberg in what's going below the surface of the water is huge, whereas there's just this little iceberg above the water.

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Speaker 2
Well, let's talk about getting above that water, getting on the other side of the line in that sand. This is where there's opportunity. This is my favorite word here is potential being able to see potential. You can't potentiality and scarcity cannot coexist in the same space where there is a scarce mindset, there is never potential. Where there is potentiality, there is no scarcity.

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Speaker 2
So where do you want which line do you want to be in? Right. Which side of that line is, is what would serve you better when you're on the other side of the line? What is it going to take for you to get to that? Again, it's that level for bridge. So all these different metaphors and visuals of bridges and lines and icebergs.

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Speaker 2
Scott, what's coming up for you?

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Speaker 3
Yeah, I think it you know, for me when I hear that, too, it's for me, it's it's like what were the things that were given to you as a little kid? You know, that that taught you to be a skeptic and then, you know, when you think of like, oh, a great teacher, right. That gave you encouragement, didn't tell you how to do it.

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Speaker 3
It just gave you encouragement that just changed changed your mindset. Right. Or I think the other thing too is that I love is it's probably the the shift in this is in the power and the humility and the compassion and the questions that you're asking people. Again, not telling them. Yeah, asking them really compelling questions and you're giving them the possibility of their own potential that that makes sense.

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Speaker 2
Perfect, perfect sense. And again, we do this with ourselves. The more we can introspect with the compassion that we need to show up with ourselves and ask ourselves these same questions, just like what you did yesterday, that's where we get to create what that stepping into potentiality looks like. Right? And again, when we have a situation where we have to do it with someone else.

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Speaker 2
Right. Maybe it's a situation that's a little frustrating right now with with someone else, we could say stuck in frustration. Or we can go right into it. We can step on that boat, on that bridge and just ask if I were to demonstrate some compassion to this person. And I feel like I, I have questions that I want to ask.

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Speaker 2
What does that look like? What does that lead to? How do we co-create a resolution together?

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Speaker 1
Yeah, go ahead, Scott.

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Speaker 3
No, I was going to ask you, Wendy, too, because, I mean, I'm sure you've been in that situation where you just asked a compelling question and that question, like, led you to a spot that you could never imagine where that person was. Like, you just couldn't even imagine. Right? Because they were I mean, we live in a vain society.

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Speaker 3
So we've like we're like a civil war going on television every day, except for me. But does that make sense? So we have our mask on, we have our vanity on, we have all that stuff. But I'm sure it's because I've watched you ask people questions and they're always I don't know, they're just they're super humble, like us people.

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Speaker 3
You ask people a question and it doesn't sound like you really care about the answer.

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Speaker 1
Well, that's that's, you know, really why Karen and I love what we get to do because that that, you know, coming coming to and with someone else as as their coach is about letting go of judgment and so when we ask questions and I tell people this, as soon as I start coaching with them, I'm going to ask you all kinds of questions.

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Speaker 1
Just know I'm never looking for a right or wrong answer because we have been what's the word again? Our operating system, right?

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Speaker 2
Because we said, yeah.

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Speaker 1
Yeah, yes. Conditioned that to when somebody asks a question, we're like, oh my gosh, I hope I'm answering the right thing. Like, Is this what they really want me to say? Is this the right answer? Is the wrong answer? And my point is no. I'm like, I really literally want to know because I can't support you in the best way possible as your coach if you aren't really honest with me.

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Speaker 1
Right. And transparent and vulnerable. So yeah. And it's that whole and and Scott, you know, you and I talk about this, it's like my job is I want to listen to understand and not to respond. Right. And so being present with that person because as they're, you know, going through and, you know, even really having this understanding of this deeper dove of all of these levels and how they show up, many people have not had these kind of questions before.

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Speaker 1
And so it's going to take them to a place, you know, perhaps a lot of emotion and, you know, the realization of of where they are. And, you know, and I just going back to talking about this level five two, which is, you know, the opportunity that's the beauty in this to right once we get to this level like people see the opportunity, no matter what place they've been in, they can see that there's opportunity in any challenge that's in front of them.

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Speaker 1
And again, not that we stay there on a regular basis because we're human and we're not you know, we're not robots, but we do have the opportunity to come from this place more often. Right. And so and it does exactly what you said, Scott. It it provides us that peace when we show up in this way. And just the word in itself.

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Speaker 1
Right, speaks a story. I do want to touch. I do want to touch upon a challenge. You know, when we're when we're in this level, because when we're we move into to level five. And again, it's we kind of refer to it as the explore. We're thinking of all kinds of, you know, ideas and and so forth. And I can really relate to this.

00;27;01;16 - 00;27;19;09
Speaker 1
I've got a lot of level five. And so it's like all these ideas, you know, oh my gosh, I could do this, I could do this. Unfortunately, sometimes then we can get into that analysis of paralysis where that's where, again, it's like Karen and I work on this too together. It's like, All right now, that's great. Great ideas.

00;27;19;09 - 00;27;48;09
Speaker 1
Now, how can we shift into even the higher level of what? What are we going to do about it? What are we going to put into action? What risk are we going to take? And we'll talk about that later. And then also when we're this level, we can be disengage from our emotions. And and I really feel and Karen, I'm interested in your perspective in this, but I really feel like a lot of times it's the perception from other people when they see and how we react.

00;27;48;09 - 00;28;11;07
Speaker 1
They may feel like we're disengaged from emotions, too, which may not necessarily be the case. It's just that we see opportunity in everything. And so, you know, people are like, I mean, does she know? And I'm actually Scott, you and Karen know me well enough to know that, you know, I'm a pretty optimistic person. And so for some people, you know, they see that and they make assumptions.

00;28;11;07 - 00;28;28;10
Speaker 1
Well, she must not have anything. She's happy all the time. She must not have anything bad happen in her life. You know, and that's not the case. It's just the way that I choose to look at it. And it doesn't mean I'm not having a bad day or never sad, but it's just the way that I choose to look at it and take action.

00;28;28;29 - 00;28;31;26
Speaker 1
Karen, anything else you would add to that?

00;28;32;18 - 00;28;57;26
Speaker 2
Yeah, I think there's a space here that would warrant the idea of how we are in our heads in a level five energy, much like level three, where we're kind of coping and rationalizing level five. We're in our head a lot. And so the difference here and maybe this comes back to what you were saying is how others may perceive you.

00;28;58;21 - 00;29;31;11
Speaker 2
There is a there is a part here that we're missing. What is our heart? Right. What's our heart saying to us? We're leading with our head and a lot of level five where we're in a we're in a it's a very heady space. It's a so it's a it's a space where we're seeing opportunities. We're seeing experiences where we're able to but again, visualize this as we're labeling it as opportunity.

00;29;31;15 - 00;30;03;23
Speaker 2
We're not necessarily dropping back down into heart asking, how does this feel? And so this is kind of where will we'll start to touch on into what level six looks like, where we're actually more holistic in our in our perception of an experience where we are more heart and head at the same time and intuition and everything. But but right now, in a space of level five, we are very much it's like a it's a jacked up rationalization if, if that makes any sense.

00;30;03;23 - 00;30;04;28
Speaker 2
Right? Yeah.

00;30;05;28 - 00;30;29;04
Speaker 1
And I'm so glad that you reminded me and brought that up even for me. I forgot that description that each one of these were either coming from more of a head perspective or heart perspective. So that even helped me. Thanks for that reminder. And that's so true. Like I'm I definitely start from I start in my heart and I though so quickly get caught up in my head then.

00;30;29;09 - 00;30;44;26
Speaker 1
Right. And it's that's why it's the importance of being able to shift back. Yeah. Good. Scott, what comes up for you when you hear about all of this galley?

00;30;44;26 - 00;31;09;12
Speaker 3
No, I think it just comes back to it. My only reference points is really watching people and they're really broken is how bad you want it. I mean, if you if you're trying to repair yourself because you want to get your wife off your back or because you want to get, you know, the bank off your back or like just whatever.

00;31;09;12 - 00;31;22;04
Speaker 3
But it won't it means something to you. And it and peace and serenity is more important or equally as important as your air that you breathe. Then, Scott.

00;31;22;04 - 00;31;49;11
Speaker 1
Can I can I just, you know, I think a really good connection here for you to make in me to ask this question for you is your work with recovery? And so when you see people shift to this level five of of peace and acceptance, what do you see happen for them and perhaps for those around them?

00;31;50;12 - 00;32;05;22
Speaker 3
Yeah. So there's a beautiful message inside of that because you can't do it for them. So there's a there's a there's a quote that people say it works if you work it. And I always say it works because you're worth it. So. So because I needed to know that.

00;32;06;04 - 00;32;15;17
Speaker 2
Yeah. The teacher comes, the student shows up when the teacher the student shows up when they know the teacher shows up when the student is ready. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00;32;15;23 - 00;32;34;27
Speaker 3
And then the cool part for like for a lot of that is the fact that, you know, when it's all said and done, they will have said, I did it myself. But here's the thing. I heard this a long time ago. Two sickies don't make a well. So in your life, you need a welly and a sickie, right.

00;32;34;27 - 00;32;47;09
Speaker 3
But the beautiful thing about recovery is what we've learned is I can't fix that person. The only person that can fix them is themselves. So the best thing I can do in a lot of cases is get out of their way.

00;32;48;08 - 00;32;57;18
Speaker 1
And when you do that and they come to this place of peace and acceptance, I can't imagine the opposite. Right.

00;32;57;19 - 00;32;58;09
Speaker 3
Oh, it's.

00;32;58;09 - 00;33;06;12
Speaker 1
Beautiful. Yeah. I mean, I can't imagine the stories that you've seen when it does when somebody does come to that place of acceptance. Yeah.

00;33;06;24 - 00;33;23;18
Speaker 3
Yeah. I mean, you know, stories of, you know, you know, with their wives, it's sad or their children and sad or, you know, what they're doing in their lives. And it is just it might be the most beautiful thing I've ever seen, you know, but and it doesn't happen very often.

00;33;25;10 - 00;33;38;02
Speaker 1
Well, thank you for the work that you do with recovery, Scott, because I do know it is a very important to you and it's just a part of who you are and you've made such a difference in so many people. So thank you for that.

00;33;39;20 - 00;33;55;06
Speaker 3
That's the blessing of it because the the secret of is to is you don't ever graduate. Yeah. So the 30 the last class is you got to give it away. So there's no graduating. No.

00;33;55;16 - 00;34;26;00
Speaker 1
That's right. It's a journey, right? Not a destination. Okay. So as we are wrapping up today, you know, we we went deeper in level four and really described level five and talked a little bit about that. I think, you know, the growth work and the the call to action for today, again, I think is just what about that?

00;34;26;00 - 00;34;45;21
Speaker 1
Right. What came up for you as we were describing those different levels? How do you show up in those levels of energy and you know what's important about that self-awareness and knowledge and how what impact might that have? Anything else you would add, Scott and Karen.

00;34;47;13 - 00;35;15;24
Speaker 3
I think for me would be if I was going to ask somebody to explore this in an interaction with somebody, could I ask myself, Am I open and curious or closed and defensive? Now that's a really answer. Easy question, answer yes or no. Here's this important part Why is it me? Is it them? Is it the circumstances I'm in?

00;35;16;21 - 00;35;42;27
Speaker 3
When we can begin to identify why that's happening to us, that we can carry that into the next situation? Does that does that make sense? And then just try I mean, you know, I would say would probably very, you know, what you want. You carry your old self into the conversation. You probably know the outcome. You could probably record it.

00;35;43;21 - 00;35;58;11
Speaker 3
So why not try something new? Why not just try being open or curious or quite frankly, you know, if you're have the disease to please, you could be a little closed. See how that works for you.

00;35;59;04 - 00;36;11;09
Speaker 1
You get to you get to choose. Right. And Karen, well, and we'll talk about this later, but it really, truly about taking aligned action. All right. So with that.

00;36;12;14 - 00;36;13;21
Speaker 2
Let's go inside.

00;36;14;11 - 00;36;23;25
Speaker 1
Yes. And again, what is it what is it that comes up for you as you think about these levels? And we'll see you next time.